U go girl! I am so glad that your husband told them off. Don't feel bad that you were unprepared and off-balance. I have advised people to have a "apostate care package" ready for just such an occurance. It consists of photocopied Watchtower material that will allow you to go right after them where it hurts. THEY will be itching to get out the door. BTW, it also would have been wise to tell them, "now is not a good time, please call when you want to visit us". I give that advice to all who are not prepared at that moment.
Feel free to join us at ex-jwcentral@yahoogroups (used to be e-groups and still is in the European branch).
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xjw-central
This is a Christian flavored list but no arm twisting to accept any religion or non-belief. We have lots of people to offer you support even get you in touch with fellow ex-jws if you want.
Rex
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The C.O. and elder came to my house last night!
by Sarah inplease tell me i made the right decision.
last night the co and another elder showed up at our house just 5 minutes after my husband got home from work (i think they were sitting on the side of the road just waiting for him to come home)*stalkers*, anyway to make along story short, the pressure was on.
i felt like they were there to get us to da ourselves.
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The New "Norm" in
by Rex B13 ini am sorry to be so cruel as to beat someone as defenseless as big jim......not.. from big jim and for all those who congratulated him on his reasoning abilities!.
adam .
>okay, so god created adam in his own image.
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Hi Tina,
Were you the model for those photos?
Luv Ya,
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For Maximus: I'll ignore everyone else
by Rex B13 inmaximus,.
you seem like a smart fellow but you have jw rationalism imbedded in your brain.
you asked for an explanation and here it is:.
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Obviously YOU don't! Yuck yuck
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SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE BELIEVER!
by Big Jim insome questions for the believer!.
1) how would you define god, and why are you so convinced that there is one?
2) if everything needs a creator, then who or what created god?
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What's up with the questions you didn't think of and are the usual mishmash of misconceptions held by atheists?
32) If the Bible is the inerrant word of God, why does it contain so many factual errors, such as the two contradictory accounts of Creation in Genesis?
I answer this one in my last post, which you failed to respond yo!
33) Why isn¹t the Bible written in a straightforward way that leaves no doubt about what it means?
Ros has this one right.
34) The last time Christianity attained total power, it resulted in the Dark Ages, so why should we expect anything different from Christian fundamentalists today?
"Christianity" is NOT any political or religious organization. It is the body of believers who exist at any particular point in time. You are whining about the Catholic Church and the Pope, who were well into total apostasy by then and had turned FROM God, for they were NOT following Biblical teachings.
35) Has anyone ever been killed in the name of atheism?
How many millions have died in the old Soviet Union, China, Cambodia< North Korea and a dozen other countries?
What, Communists are NOT atheists? Is it wrong to blame them as you do all Christians for the actions of false Christians?36) Why does history show that every time a fundamentalist religion has gained power, tyranny and persecutions have soon followed?
I don't know that it shows that. I also do not consider any religion to be the sole representative of Christ. If they do not behave as Christians then they JUST AREN'T, JIMBO!
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SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE BELIEVER!
by Big Jim insome questions for the believer!.
1) how would you define god, and why are you so convinced that there is one?
2) if everything needs a creator, then who or what created god?
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Jim's question:
>5) Can more than one of these religions be right?
Ros said:
>Yes.Did you mean this in the context of Christian denominations or 'other' religions? If it is the latter case then how do you deal with, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14.6 but there are many more that show Christ is the ONLY way to God) ?
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The New "Norm" in
by Rex B13 ini am sorry to be so cruel as to beat someone as defenseless as big jim......not.. from big jim and for all those who congratulated him on his reasoning abilities!.
adam .
>okay, so god created adam in his own image.
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No answer ever satisfies atheism. We're wasting time and bandwidth.
Perhaps YOU could answer my re=post to Big Jim since he cannot?
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For Maximus: I'll ignore everyone else
by Rex B13 inmaximus,.
you seem like a smart fellow but you have jw rationalism imbedded in your brain.
you asked for an explanation and here it is:.
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How can I relay my thoughts to your last attempt to be cute.
People who have studied JW doctrine demonstrate how it makes no sense in light of the context of scripture. "Belief" and "interpretation" cannot be thrown out as a "catch all" to encompass all views of scripture.
Ros has beliefs that have been clearly demonstrated as NOT-BIBLICAL.
Ros has openly disagreed with the CONTENT of scripture.
Ros backpeddles from scripture that is OBVIOUSLY literal to 99% of Christian researchers.
How much of the Bible can you ignore or twist to suit your own views before you are only claiming to be Christian and do not believe in it's valid teachings? Doesn't the consensus of opinion matter at all?
Why do many Christians do this? I THINK it is because they are afraid to take a stand on ALL SCRIPTURE INSPIRED AND BENEFICIAL FOR TEACHING, REPROVING.....
BTW, I wonder where Maximus is, after all, it was HE who asked me to post this thread?
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by Rex B13 ini am sorry to be so cruel as to beat someone as defenseless as big jim......not.. from big jim and for all those who congratulated him on his reasoning abilities!.
adam .
>okay, so god created adam in his own image.
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Hi Simon,
I suppose that if you were 'God', and knew that mankind would fail in a large way then you would not bother to create man in the first place, right Simon?
Or you could have let them die childless? Predestination and free will go hand in hand and I know they are difficult to grasp together.
Your JW skewed view fails to take into account the immortal soul of man, the promise of God's grace that offers freely complete divine forgiveness simply for accepting the sacrifice of His son and believing in the resurrection.
He accepted His role in the fall of man and God came to earth, suffered and died for people like you and me. You've seent eh books that I posted. You owe it to yourself to actually check out what REAL Christianity actually is.
Start with 'Mere Christianity' by C.S. Lewis.
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For Maximus: I'll ignore everyone else
by Rex B13 inmaximus,.
you seem like a smart fellow but you have jw rationalism imbedded in your brain.
you asked for an explanation and here it is:.
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>fighting with people like Ros who stands firm behind her Christian beliefs.
Ros? Are you serious? She is your 'dream' Christian, she has Pentonesque Bible Student beliefs, she gives up any scripture that she disagrees with. Just like most modernists she plays by your rules, throws away the evidence because you say it is not valid.....
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Why believe Revelation or Last Days?
by Seeker inthose of us who used to be jws, i have a question for you: why would any of us think revelation has anything to say about the 21st century, or that we are in the last days period?.
when we left the jws, we did so because of their false teachings.
we saw through their faulty reasoning about why we are in the last days.
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Christian radio stations braodcast directly to 250 million chinese. The Catholic church has a count in the millions and some estimates for all Christian religions combined are over 200 million. This is from missionaries coming out for various reasons.
A Christian publication by 'Focus on the Family' soild 15,000 copies out in days. The Chinese authorities are often looking the other way....funny thing about Christ, His messengers infect even those who seek to control them! Pity the poor jailors left to guard the apostle Paul, eh? Not pity, rejoice for they gained salvation, soemthing that you refuse to even consider.
Rex